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What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« on: September 06, 2009, 07:33:02 PM »
This is a question that Commando and Mandalorian fans have debated quite a bit over various boards, including the folks over at Ka'ra, but I felt like it deserved attention here.  If you were a Mandalorian in real life, what values would you follow and how would you live?  Think practically and realistically here.  How would you treat others, from your family to your strangers or enemies?  What are your religious beliefs/how would they fit in with your life as a Mando'ad?  Do you think actually fighting physically is necessary (i.e. joining your local armed forces), or are other types of fighting acceptable for Mandalorians?  Can you be a Mandalorian by fighting with your brain as a scholar or in some other profession?  What do the Resol'nare mean to you?  What does "wearing armor" entail in real life?

Just a few of the issues that this question deals with.  Maybe through the discussion a few of you may even become interested in joining a few of us who are attempting to live like Mandalorians over at Clan Ka'ra's forums.  I linked to it earlier, but here's an explicit link.  I'm not sure if advertising is frowned on - if so I'll take the link down quickly.  I mean in no way to take away from clonecommando.net's traffic, however; it is one of my favorite websites and goes a long way back in my life, and if anything I'd like to INCREASE it's activity. (Along with our own, of course. :P)

I'll sit back and see what kind of discussion this generates, if any.  I'll post my own views and opinions to some of the broader questions sometime soon.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 10:27:59 PM »
well, the beauty of it is I'm already fulfilling all the applicable tenents for being Mandalorian. I just treat people with the respect that they deserve. There is no actual fighting requirement, you just need to have absolutely no compunctions about defending yourself and your family/friends/home/land/people in need. The Resol'nare are easy to live by if you dont give an osik about what other people think. The only bit that's hard is wearing armor. It is specifically Mandalorina armor being referenced, and to be fully Mandalorian you must have a set and wear it at least part of the time, it's an essential part of our cultural identity. I think it's okay for you to put the link up, too, but I'm not a mod...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 12:01:21 AM »
This is a question that Commando and Mandalorian fans have debated quite a bit over various boards, including the folks over at Ka'ra, but I felt like it deserved attention here.  If you were a Mandalorian in real life, what values would you follow and how would you live?  Think practically and realistically here.  How would you treat others, from your family to your strangers or enemies?  What are your religious beliefs/how would they fit in with your life as a Mando'ad?  Do you think actually fighting physically is necessary (i.e. joining your local armed forces), or are other types of fighting acceptable for Mandalorians?  Can you be a Mandalorian by fighting with your brain as a scholar or in some other profession?  What do the Resol'nare mean to you?  What does "wearing armor" entail in real life?

Just a few of the issues that this question deals with.  Maybe through the discussion a few of you may even become interested in joining a few of us who are attempting to live like Mandalorians over at Clan Ka'ra's forums.  I linked to it earlier, but here's an explicit link.  I'm not sure if advertising is frowned on - if so I'll take the link down quickly.  I mean in no way to take away from clonecommando.net's traffic, however; it is one of my favorite websites and goes a long way back in my life, and if anything I'd like to INCREASE it's activity. (Along with our own, of course. :P)

I'll sit back and see what kind of discussion this generates, if any.  I'll post my own views and opinions to some of the broader questions sometime soon.

Laam'ika, you're a freaking genius, it never occurred to me to ask CC.Net (OMG I HAVE AN ACCOUNT HERE STILL I FEEL SO NOSTALGIC I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN YEARS).

Also, way to make me feel old and grey by feeling the need to tell CC.Net about Ka'ra. That's like telling Van Gogh about Starry Night, isn't it?

Anyway give me a minute to summarize what I've said on the aliit forums and maybe it'll help move the conversation forwards.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 12:53:37 AM »
Well, it's been ages since CC.net has been graced with Ka'ra talk. :P  I haven't seen any of the old faces here in a while.  Also, even if some of the old faces were here, they had no link to the new forums.

Edit: Also, I'll let a few more people respond with their views before I post my own views/rebuttals.
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 02:52:12 AM »
Whoa welcome back lol, where's Kire :P?
Anyways, I think it means what you'd think it means, following the Resol'Nare.

I'd be loving and protective to my family and watchful and deffencive against any enemies.

I think a fight can be physical or simply an argument. Anyway that you can defend your family and it's honor is important.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 03:19:40 AM »
Laam'ika, you're a freaking genius, it never occurred to me to ask CC.Net (OMG I HAVE AN ACCOUNT HERE STILL I FEEL SO NOSTALGIC I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN YEARS).

Also, way to make me feel old and grey by feeling the need to tell CC.Net about Ka'ra. That's like telling Van Gogh about Starry Night, isn't it?

Anyway give me a minute to summarize what I've said on the aliit forums and maybe it'll help move the conversation forwards.

Wow Kalira is that you :P? Long time no see! (It's RC-1989 btw)

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 03:52:25 AM »
Whoa welcome back lol, where's Kire :P?

Who mentio--HEY ARE YOU STALKING MY PROFILE I JUST UPDATED THAT YOU...uh....stalker.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 04:16:23 AM »
OMG I ACTUALLY KNOW YOU.  :shock:

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 07:19:28 PM »
rofl... wow
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 07:33:15 PM »
Being loving and kind to your family is something most people do - the thing is, do you do it like a Mandalorian?  Do any of you really believe that family is more than bloodlines, and can you, like Kal Skirata, unconditionally love those who are your family, to the point where you would readily give your life for them?  Would you adopt sons or daughters and extend that love to them?

I'm just trying to get you guys thinking.  As I said, once more people post their opinions I'll write my own post.

Also, what about religion?  Do you think that plays a role in being Mandalorian?  Does it matter at all?  Does it play a factor in WHO you'd consider your brothers or sisters?

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 07:47:11 PM »
yes, I do
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 07:48:33 PM »
...you win the "Vague Answer '09" award of the year.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 07:54:45 PM »
lol oops. Religion has no bearing one way or another unless they have a specific bias against mandalore. I was referancing your first question
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 08:57:11 AM »
I think that the beautiful thing of being a Mandalorian is that the rules are simple but very important at the same time.
It's not all voilence, it's about protecting the things, people and habits you love.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2009, 07:41:11 AM »
Being loving and kind to your family is something most people do - the thing is, do you do it like a Mandalorian?  Do any of you really believe that family is more than bloodlines, and can you, like Kal Skirata, unconditionally love those who are your family, to the point where you would readily give your life for them?  Would you adopt sons or daughters and extend that love to them?

Way to pick the one aspect I've never even remotely had trouble with.

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Also, what about religion?  Do you think that plays a role in being Mandalorian?
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Does it matter at all?
Only if people try to force it on other Mandos. See previous examples.

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Does it play a factor in WHO you'd consider your brothers or sisters?
Only if they try to force it on others.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2009, 04:26:13 PM »
It means doing the right thing, no matter what it is. Defending your family, both natural and extended. That extends to your country, your ideals, and the like.

Defend your country/nation.

Be nice, until it's time to not be nice.

Treat others as you wish to be treated.

Don't judge a person because of skin tone or ideals.

In other words, what I do as a US Marine every day.
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2009, 06:08:53 PM »
Do any of you believe that personal revenge is the right way to go about things when you've been wronged?  That's just as Mandalorian as the love.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 11:15:14 PM »
depends on the wrong. I'm not going to murder someone if they steal my fruit cup, but if they systematically hunt my clan, I'll rip their guts out
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 12:15:53 AM »
An eye for an eye....For a fruit cup, serious toe breakage!!!
The  purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 12:25:24 AM »
So realistically you would resort to personally hurting or even killing someone, rather than letting the Law do their thing?  Let's say someone ransacks your house and steals thousands of dollars worth of goods, you have a scuffle with the guy, and you recognize him but he gets away.  What would you do?

What if he had killed a family member in the process?

I'm not taking any sides here, I'm just trying to figure out your perspectives.  It'll be interesting when to compare my own to what you guys have said.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 12:52:41 AM »
Do any of you believe that personal revenge is the right way to go about things when you've been wronged?  That's just as Mandalorian as the love.

Yes.

Although sometimes personal revenge is making sure the guy gets twenty years in prison.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 12:57:05 AM »
So realistically you would resort to personally hurting or even killing someone, rather than letting the Law do their thing?  Let's say someone ransacks your house and steals thousands of dollars worth of goods, you have a scuffle with the guy, and you recognize him but he gets away.  What would you do?

What if he had killed a family member in the process?

I'm not taking any sides here, I'm just trying to figure out your perspectives.  It'll be interesting when to compare my own to what you guys have said.

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Oh, and Kal'ika, so you'd be satisfied with offering someone up to court no matter what the crime rather than relieving your need for vengeance yourself, or would that only be in certain cases?   What if the jury let the person off with all charges dropped, but you still knew they deserved to be punished?

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 01:25:01 AM »
I said *sometimes*. Depends on how much I want to hurt them first.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 03:55:51 PM »

My home is my castle, enter at your own risk. If you get away hope I don't find you. When someone willingly decides to take something that is not their's it becomes personal to the person it's taken from.
At that point do whatever you have to do. If you believe in the law, okay fine. If you believe the law won't do the right thing, do what you must.
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2009, 04:14:05 AM »
I'm with Sean...basically on everything.  Dang you Sean, beating me to all the good stuff... :P
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2009, 10:40:49 PM »
I belive in the law, but I also belive in the second amendment, and I know that police can't make it out fast enough.
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2009, 09:38:31 AM »
Laws don't always = justice. Where that line is is a personal definition for individuals, and fortunately Mandalorians quite like individuality.

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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2010, 06:07:12 PM »
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2010, 06:32:16 PM »
The Mandalorian Code, as I see it, living life as a Mando in the mundane world, as we know it. (Please take this witha grain of salt)
Being a Mandalorian, means family by blood and by “adoption” become one. We all have people in our lives that are not our blood, that if it came to it we’d take a bullet for. Clan means a willingness to tell the truth to each other, even in the face of judgment. As a clan we reserve judgment in the face of ALL the facts. As a clan we keep each other’s secrets.
Being a Mandalorian means taking responsibility for your actions and choices. It also means you carefully measure the choices you make against the effect they  have on the other members of your clan.
Being a Mandalorian means learning to defend yourself to the best of your ability, within the context of your life, and beyond. Familiarize yourself with the weapons and equipment available to you in your  life. This means anything from a bat to a bazooka, all depending on access. At the least it  means that you learn to stay out of places that jeopardize you or the safety of your clan.
Being a Mandalorian means being active socially and politically, supporting those people and policies that will guarantee the future freedoms of your fellow Mandos.
Being a Mandalorians means facing life head on, free, sharing it, honorably and honestly.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2010, 06:58:45 PM »
also, being a Mandlaorian requires you identify yourself as a Mandalorian, by your armor... and you need to listen to the Mand'alor, assuming he actually says anything...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2010, 07:11:59 PM »
I agree Vlet.

In the context of a military situation, there has to be a Mandalore, even if it is an individual chosen at the moment for a specific task. In a less military situation, a parent or elder. Respect.

As for armor, don't get me started, I could daydream all day about armor. I've worn a few types........European and Japanese.
I wonder if anyone has ever forged a suit of Mandalorian stlye armor in steel?

In my previous post, I would include armor in the equipment category.
In the mundane world, my brother always wears armor whenever he gets onto a motorcycle. I admire the sense of ease and agility he has riding with it on.

Colors.... I like black ( dark grey's good, easier to hide/blend) and mixed greens and earth colors.
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2010, 07:14:50 PM »
yeah, several people have made metal sets, not as many as plastic sets, but there's quite a few in the Mercs...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2010, 08:15:41 PM »
*cue second phase of OMG I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN AGES*
also, being a Mandlaorian requires you identify yourself as a Mandalorian, by your armor... and you need to listen to the Mand'alor, assuming he actually says anything...

The popular interpretation on the Fifth Action seems to be that "wearing armor" indicates remembering your heritage, and therefore in the real world can be substituted for the "real world". Some mandos have gotten tattoos, Ka'ra tossed around the idea of a medallion with the aliit crest etched on it for a while, and personally I have a necklace that contains the Resol'Nare. We simply can't walk into the office on Monday in full armor. It works in fiction, but not in reality.

As for Mand'alor, I have two answers to that. First, Ka'ra has an aliit'alor that we always referred to as Mand'alor, since at the time a) there wasn't a more appropriate term and b) we were the only Mandos. And second, the largest (to my knowledge) community of Mandalorians, http://z11.invisionfree.com/mandalore, has repeatedly and resoundingly decided not to name a Mand'alor. Common assessment is we just don't need one right now.

(and yeah, for those who would be interested, that link is probably a better one to follow than the ones in the OP, as it's for all aliite, not just Ka'ra, and it's a whole lot more active)

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2010, 10:55:23 PM »
well, not many Mandalorians wore their armor all the time... Canderous when he was younger, Kal Skirata, Mira... there's plenty, I think it's mostly you need to have some Mandalorian armor somewhere, if it's ever needed...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2010, 08:34:45 PM »
My problem is the cost of getting armor. I would give a lot for a suit, but I just don't have the resources in the first place. Anyone have a link for beskar'gam for the financially deprived?

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2010, 09:11:10 PM »
check out the Mercs site, they've got ways to make armor on any budget... I have very little cash most of the time (because it all goes to the armor...) but I've managed to make some serious progress! It's all in the ingenuity! I'm using a bunch of spare composite from when we redid the porch for the verp and pistols, and a trashcan makes a good set of plates. Upholstery makes a great vest, you can pich up flight suits at most surplus stores...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2010, 09:07:18 PM »
So basicly living the Resol'nare as best as i can in real life. I really want to take an old jacket and sew mando chest armor in between the layers of fabic in the jacket so i can say i have beskar'gam all the time. lol



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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2010, 11:32:29 PM »
cut some kevlar into shape! (don't bother, it'll probably just ruin it...)
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2010, 10:04:20 AM »
If you get Kevlar, sow some plates on the outside. Double protection. Psychological beskar'gam protection and bulletproof.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2010, 07:43:19 PM »
nice...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2010, 11:11:38 PM »
Not all kevlar is bulletproof.
The  purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2010, 08:51:36 PM »
yeah... but in conversation with the average person, if you say kevlar they'll think "bulletproof"

that's why I don't talk with normal people... I was out playing sports and ended up explaining how nukes work...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2010, 10:45:24 PM »
-feels dumb-

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2010, 11:21:10 PM »
about what, vod?
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2010, 11:33:29 PM »
-sniff- Kevlar.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2010, 11:39:54 PM »
relax, we can't all know everything...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2012, 08:12:18 PM »
Means I'm awesome, duh. Nah, just kiddin.
What it means to me is pure violence, cool armor, nice weapons, and passion for watching a bullet goin through someone's head.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2012, 08:51:25 PM »
What it means to me is pure violence, cool armor, nice weapons, and passion for watching a bullet goin through someone's head.

So being a costumed psychopath?


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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2012, 08:53:03 PM »
So being a costumed psychopath?

With nice weapons, yes. I think that's his point.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2012, 09:13:24 PM »
Wouldn't be the first serial killer we created.


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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2012, 05:58:59 PM »
Wouldn't be the first serial killer we created.

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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2012, 07:19:28 PM »
he sounds more like the Z-6 type to me...
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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2012, 09:41:18 PM »
he sounds more like the Z-6 type to me...

Or worse, he'll forego handheld weapons and use a ship's turbolaser.


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Re: What does being Mandalorian mean to you?
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2012, 10:40:42 PM »
Hmmm...... Sounds like me!  >:D