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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 09:32:17 PM »
I always thought of Skirata as being a Republic Sergeant not a Mandalorian one. I dont think there is such a thing as a modern Mandalorian 'Sergeant' per se.
That's kinda how I looked at it, too.

That might be why I prefer the crusader era Mandos... they actually had structure and a chain of command...
The Mandalorian Protectors apparently had a rank structure, according to "Galaxy at War".

*Private (verd'ika)
*Corporal (alor'uus)
*Sergeant (ruus'alor)
*Lieutenant (ver'alor)
*Captain (alor'ad)
*Commander (al'verde)
*And the Mand'alor at the top.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2010, 12:31:17 PM »
By the way, Talo, there is an old Mandalorian equivalent to a sergeant. They had only a few ranks, they warriors, rally masters, field marshals and the Mandalore. The rally masters are a lot like sergeants.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2010, 12:46:40 PM »
Almost forgot about those, and yeah it does seem like Rally Master pretty much equals Sergeant.  They're supposedly the ones who did the training of new recruits and the ones who gave most of the orders.  Sure sounds like a sergeant to me.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2010, 01:06:03 PM »
yeah, the warriors were supposed to gather around the rally masters (in red armor) for orders and squad cohesion, and the marshals got the overall battle plan from the Mmandalore, and fed specific orders to each rally master. simple and relatively effective.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2010, 07:38:10 PM »
In battle, the simple plans are always the best. If you complicate things too much, everything goes to osik.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 09:03:42 PM »
NCO's(SGT's) get things done, it's what we do. My opinion is that Kal was being a father figure(another SGT job) AND getting the job done. That meant taking care of his boys, and everything else. He was Mandalorian, and a Training Sgt.

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I agree with alot of what you said. Darn near all of it.

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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2010, 02:06:42 PM »
Thanks Vode.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2010, 10:42:55 AM »
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NCO's(SGT's) get things done

I can't remember where I heard it from; but, I once heard a DI (also an NCO) use the line, "Don't call me sir - I work for a living"
[Implying only officers are to be called "sir", (and officers don't actually work for a living)]
"I find your lack of faith distrubing."

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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2010, 05:28:59 PM »
OOOOOOOOOHHHHH I know that one!

Its been used alot of times but i think you mean Sgt. Hulka in Stripes.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2010, 10:36:46 PM »
I say it daily.
The  purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

Drake and I agreed on something. Somebody get the camera out to capture the moment.

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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2010, 11:56:43 PM »
so... people end up calling you "sir" daily? and I was under the impression that during boot camp recruits are expected to refer to everybody in charge as "sir", if only to instill protocol...
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2010, 05:46:08 AM »
In battle, the simple plans are always the best. If you complicate things too much, everything goes to osik.
That's why I like the more informal structure the more modern Mandos use.
Basic plan: you do this, and you do that.  How you get it done's up to you.  If something happens, improvise.  And...go!
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2010, 06:44:02 AM »
Boot camp is boot camp. The problem is that once your done there and you go to SOI/MCT you still do it.
The  purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2010, 11:15:24 AM »
That's why I like the more informal structure the more modern Mandos use.
Basic plan: you do this, and you do that.  How you get it done's up to you.  If something happens, improvise.  And...go!

Perfectly said.
It requires complete faith in those you lead, and their skill, but c'mon they're mandos. If a common enemy (i.e. not jedi, sith,  vong, etc....just common military,  or security forces that you would encounter on most worlds.) heard that they faced two or three squads of mandos, it's be a signal for early retirement.
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2010, 11:47:34 AM »
yeah, it reminds me of the new DW in the animated series, the sniper was dispatched to Coruscant with all the info he needed before the sentance was over...
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Re: Mixed Messages in Mando culture
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2010, 12:02:55 AM »
yeah, it reminds me of the new DW in the animated series, the sniper was dispatched to Coruscant with all the info he needed before the sentance was over...
Good point, good point.  There was no "Do it this way, do it here...blah, blah, blah...", just "She needs to die.  Get it done."  And he almost does.


One of the few things they kept consistent... ;P
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