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Ky'ram Parjai'Kote
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 06:06:49 PM »

Because they wanted it to be.

End of story.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 06:15:15 PM »

That's the stupidest and most useless reason you could use to explain away something.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 09:37:11 PM »

That's the stupidest and most useless reason you could use to explain away something.

That's the stupidest and most useless post you could use to explain away something.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 11:10:19 PM »

That's the stupidest and most useless post you could use to explain away something.

That's the stupidest and most useless post you could use to explain away something.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 11:15:28 PM »

That's the stupidest and most useless way to spam a page.
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2009, 11:51:03 PM »

That's the stupidest and most useless way to contribute to spam that you're saying is stupid and useless.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2009, 02:02:03 AM »

Gentlemen! While I may not be a mod, you had better stop that. Not only is it way off topic, but that kind of behaviour is stupid, child-like, when you joined Brothers All, you agreed to not spam on the site. So knock it off!! Friendly warning vode, before a real mod has to have words with you.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2009, 03:54:53 AM »

Thanks, Ram'ser, but it seems I've arrived.


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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2009, 04:10:00 AM »

In the words of Monty Python: "I don't like spam!"  tongue

*ahem*  Anywho, Laam'inui, Ky'ram's pretty much right.  Simple answer's the best one sometimes.  As far as I know, there's no real cannon image of what a Verpine sniper rifle really looks like so it's pretty much up to the fans to make up whatever they think it looks like.  The one you said was too short and wide was what Ray Ramirez (if I'm not mistaken, which I could be you know... upsidedown) felt was the Verp from his imagination.  And I'm pretty sure he's basically the first guy to do and got Ms Traviss' stamp of Mando approval.  Personally, I like it.  It kinda fits with the thing Kal said about them being able to fire rocks if they had to, ya know?  Bigger barrel makes sense.

Mark, I gotta say that it was pretty funny and ironic to throw that back (I know I laughed! big grin) but after the first time.... I dunno.  Hey, didn't you used to be a mod like right around the time I joined up?  Tisk, tisk!  Somebody should know better. lolz

You were dying to whip that out again, weren't you Anecdote?  wink
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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2009, 01:43:04 PM »

A short barrel would not work, because the barrel would have to be long for the electromagnetic coils to accelerate the projectile to a high enough speed to do decent damage; as the Verpine rifles do such ridiculous amounts of damage, the barrel would have to be a good size.  You also have to take into account that the projectile leaving the barrel would create a very loud noise with a simple barrel like that, yet Verps are said to be silent.  How is that possible unless they have some sort of built-in-silencer that diffuses or cuts the sound on the end of the barrel?
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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2009, 04:58:54 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2009, 05:13:10 PM »

Just a little real world knowledge on barrel length. Longer barrelled weapons are more accurate because of the fact that a longer barrel gives the projectile a longer track, so to speak. It's the difference in a weapon that shoots 500 yds and one that shoots 800.
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2009, 12:35:49 AM »

True, true; but since we're dealing with something from the SW verse, it doesn't have to be that important does it? Their technology is alot more compact than ours. Personally, I think that the rifle that Ray made is cool  big grin.
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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2009, 12:29:00 PM »

A short barrel would not work, because the barrel would have to be long for the electromagnetic coils to accelerate the projectile to a high enough speed to do decent damage;

This is a silly assumption, and your first mistake. The Star Wars universe has planet and star destroying super weapons, laser beams that are essentially frozen in time that can cut through anything, blasters that fire coherent bolts of light, ships that travel faster then lightspeed, and artificial intelligence.

Given that amount of technology, I'm sure they would have no problem designing a system that could be very compact and still accelerate a projectile to a high enough speed.

You also have to take into account that the projectile leaving the barrel would create a very loud noise with a simple barrel like that, yet Verps are said to be silent.  How is that possible unless they have some sort of built-in-silencer that diffuses or cuts the sound on the end of the barrel?

This is - again - a silly assumption. There are two facts that need to be explored here. First the typical sound coming from a rifle barrel has to do with the explosive forces behind the bullet. A typical silencer will absorb the sounds made by this sound. We don't have that problem here, as there is no explosion. The second sources of sounds would be - as you state - the sound of projectile actually leaving the end of the barrel - but this assumes a snug fit to the barrel. A snug fit into the barrel is only necessary if you need the explosive forces behind the projectile to propel it out of the barrel...which is unnecessary in an electromagnetic weapon.

Consider this: the design that was originally presented with two short rails for the electromagnets running down the inside of the barrel, the projectile is pushed by the magazine between these rails and these rails propel it out of the end of the barrel. The barrel exists to protect the rails and the projectile from any prevailing elements - hail, wind, rain, etc etc - while the projectile is being directed along to it's target.

Short Barrel. No sound. Existing design.
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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2009, 12:31:30 PM »

Thank you Mark.  smile
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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2009, 01:15:35 PM »

Spot on vod.
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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2009, 02:39:04 PM »

One other thing about Verps - they are also pretty fragile (They said so in True Colors; and, Uthan supposedly dropped hers and it would not fire anymore).

Otherwise, I have to agree with some others have posted all ready; i.e.  Mark commented that we can't compare Star Wars tech with what we think of tech. - 2 different worlds, literally. (e.g. Barrel length may not need to be longer for greater accuracy either - There is no rifling (One of the books said, the Verp can supposedly shoot rocks if one ran out of ammo) 
And, like Mia said; in the absence of any real Canon-like descriptions; anybody's conception of the Shatter gun is valid. - And, some of the pics do look pretty cool
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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2009, 04:58:35 PM »

in the absence of any real Canon-like descriptions; anybody's conception of the Shatter gun is valid. - And, some of the pics do look pretty cool

This is only true of the rifle. There is an existing picture of a Verpine Shatter Gun (Pistol) in one of the RPG books. In the absence of any other canon related material, this is accepted as gospel. There's also a key point that everyone is missing here: Karen Traviss did not invent the Verpine Shatter Guns. They existed before she wrote the novels - she mentions in the forward of Hard Contact that she called someone at Lucas Arts to ask what kind of existing pistol existed that fulfilled a certain amount of criteria that she had established. Taking it one step farther she advanced the idea into a rifle.

Though to be fair - I am not so convinced there is NOT a picture of the rifle. The original appearance of the Verpine Shatter Gun is from one of the literally hundreds of expansions published for the RPG universe by West End Games. You would have to go through them all to find the exact reference - and it might very well contain a picture of a rifle as well.
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2010, 05:49:12 AM »

I have the book with the first appearance of the Verpine Shatter Gun.

The pistol. There was no rifle listing.

It is Galladinium's Fantastic Technology 

The image of the pistol is the same one posted to the star wars wikia here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Verpine_shatter_gun

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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2010, 01:03:04 PM »

I have the book with the first appearance of the Verpine Shatter Gun.

The pistol. There was no rifle listing.

It is Galladinium's Fantastic Technology 

The image of the pistol is the same one posted to the star wars wikia here:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Verpine_shatter_gun



I recently purchased this book to check and I am not entirely convinced that this is the original appearance. There is a whole table of listings for various other weapons in the back from a variety of different sources, and the WEG material often quoted text and pictures from other sources to appear in new books and 'pad' them with new content.
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